<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hallo,<div><br></div><div>z.K.</div><div><br></div><div>Alles Gute</div><div>Jan<br><div><br><div>Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>Von: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">CryptoPartyFrankfurt <<a href="mailto:pop216767-cryptoparty@ffmfowl.de">pop216767-cryptoparty@ffmfowl.de</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>Datum: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">31. März 2013 16:46:27 MESZ<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>An: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">Jan Lühr <<a href="mailto:jluehr@gmx.net">jluehr@gmx.net</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>Kopie: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;"><a href="mailto:cryptoparty@ffmfowl.de">cryptoparty@ffmfowl.de</a>, Freifunk KBU <<a href="mailto:info@kbu.freifunk.net">info@kbu.freifunk.net</a>>, MeI <<a href="mailto:quizz@vfemail.net">quizz@vfemail.net</a>>, Matthias Strubel <<a href="mailto:matthias.strubel@aod-rpg.de">matthias.strubel@aod-rpg.de</a>>, <a href="mailto:sec@buenavibra.de">sec@buenavibra.de</a><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>Betreff: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;"><b>Re: Ping von Freifunk-KBU</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>Antwort an: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;"><a href="mailto:cryptoparty@ffmfowl.de">cryptoparty@ffmfowl.de</a><br></span></div><br><div>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>Hash: SHA1<br><br>Very cool<br><br>Regarding the 'Bonn-Frankfurt CryptoParty Express Shuttle', contact<br>Mel (<a href="mailto:quizz@vfemail.net">quizz@vfemail.net</a>) to book your seats ;)<br><br>Mel, BTW, might also be able to meet you in Bonn this week for a<br>face2face chat before #cpf5<br><br>Regarding 'a critical mass for starting a Freifunk Network'... I know<br>that there will be people at #cpf5 who are interested but I don't know<br>if we will constitute a 'critical mass'... S (<a href="mailto:sec@buenavibra.de">sec@buenavibra.de</a>) and I<br>will continue to promote your presentation... but like all<br>CryptoParties, it really is a matter of seeing who comes on the night.<br><br>Regarding bootstrapping a Freifunk network not being Voodoo, Plug'n<br>Play, scalability and so on... understood... the key here is to<br>generate interest among both those who 'would like to' and 'those who<br>have the skills to' develop a network.<br><br>Here, I suggest presenting an overview of what 'Freifunk' is and how<br>it works (at a very simple level to excite 'those who would like to').<br>Then a practical demonstration/'hands-on' workshop to 'make it real'<br>(playing around with the firmware... if you want... for those like me<br>who need to see it to understand it)... at this point you will have a<br>feel for who is interested and if they are capable and serious about<br>developing a proper, scalable network in Frankfurt... then, you can<br>talk-tech with those you think 'have the skills' do develop for real.<br><br>I guess I imagine your presentation to be the first step in developing<br>'FreiFunk-FFM'.<br><br>I think you will be able to inspire us with the success of KBU and<br>point us in the right direction to develop our own.<br><br>I hope this helps.<br><br>K<br><br>On 03/29/2013 11:21 PM, Jan Lühr wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Hi folks,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">thx for your reply:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Am 29.03.2013 um 20:04 schrieb CryptoPartyFrankfurt:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">there are two seats available in a car leaving Bonn +/- 14:00<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">which - if you wanted to join the ride - would give us a few<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">hours to hangout and discuss details before the party starts<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Sounds cool. I can provided details (who's coming - apart from me)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">on April 2nd.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">LOL... until the internet is free :P But the 'Bonn Crypto<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">shuttle' will leave before that (before midnight)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">-> Topic? Eg * Technical details of Freifunk networks * <br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Bootstrapping a Freifunk Community * What is Freifunk-KBU? -<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">How to participate? (This won't be that interesting imho, since<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">hardly anyone is living in Köln / Bonn, is anyone?)<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Well... that's up to you... but the question we have and hope you<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">can help answer is:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">'How do we build a FreiFunk network in Frankfurt?'<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Sounds interesting. I guess we can come up with strategies for<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">that. However, participants should know that in advance. Do you<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">think a critical mass for starting a Freifunk Network will be<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">present?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">-> Audience: * What do they know in advance (IP-addressing,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">routing protocols, etc.)?#<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Mixed... assume no prior knowledge and expect some dumb<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">questions during your presentation/workshop... and relax in the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">comfort of being among friends with your technical skills ;)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">* What do they expect?<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">LOL... nothing less than saving the universe... but one step at a<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">time...<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Seriously, CPF wants - with your help - to inspire people to<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">develop a freifunk community in Frankfurt...<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">This won't be a problem in general - however, bootstrapping a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Freifunk network requires insight knowledge.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">4. What should the workshop be about?<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Outline the concept, then build the device (practical<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">application), lessons on how to build a (Frankfurt) community<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">(like you did with KBU).<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">How many people will get there?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Fuck! I hate that question... we have a no-RSVP policy so we<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">never know... anywhere between 5 and 50... I do know that S will<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">be there specifically for FreiFunk and will probably bring some<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">interested people and I know that M from PBx is interested in<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">meeting you, so you will have an audience... (including me if no<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">one wants to do the ubuntu workshop)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">We can provide some devices (TP-Link 1043ND), but need to know<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the number (I don't like to carry 15 if 3 are sufficient ...).<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Good question... I got a wr741nd yesterday from conrad and<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">flashed it last night (works great BTW).<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Let's try this... I'll promote your workshop and encourage people<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">to acquire and bring their own hardware (WR740N-v4, WR741ND und<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">WR1043ND, right?) and you could bring 4 or 5 as backups...<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">What do you think?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Feasible - but difficult. A simple "flash and mesh" / "Plug'n Play'<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">workshop where everybody get's in touch with our firmware might not<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">be "good enough", since expanding our network to Frankfurt is<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">stupid from a technical point of view (no one will do roaming from<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Frankfurt to Bonn / Köln - scaling such a network will be<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">painful). I think it'd cool, if some folks that are interested in<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">and (in general) capable of running a Freifunk network will be<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">present (this ain't voodo ;-) ). Of course, playing around with our<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">firmware is easy and enjoying but won't help in the long run<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">(imho).<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Thanks for your help, See you on April 7th, yanosz<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><br>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----<br>Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux)<br>Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - <a href="http://www.enigmail.net/">http://www.enigmail.net/</a><br><br>iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRWEw7AAoJEIGsHq2WZJd8VggH/0KfwDuKjgUXEGjrtapX//GS<br>NdVRiHcBh/UPxobCXmj+gexPvOijuwrA8nVYf+yzLEmRwssY53oLIbZcGg3xn4G/<br>8v7ZBOBBbtqzZvB17VntNgB6h7/71GBv97ePipadCR/iWGC5yTJVXAaclnHc1Ycf<br>21MhVO/DK4826TFiVHdPECdbsdsRx8jZYj6sTKylvHFsT5Qse4lq1GQhw0j2UtY4<br>fD98YlqDISjLwFjkii9XoUrtjMz1ZpSVuXlen/JowT0PQMtMaAzMkhw6NLmFIyJt<br>uF4N0tFlRc+yYJMM2XyO7HJnItSfNV/vChKPQQi5lMHiWTEk7aLtfOZHJWfmoGY=<br>=orJQ<br>-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----<br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>